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From owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU Sun May 5 19:15:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id JA00892; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:15:06 +1000 (from owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU) Received: from mailing-list by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) id TAA14127; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:14:05 +1000 Received: from munnari.OZ.AU by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) with SMTP id TAA14121; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:13:54 +1000 Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id JA03273; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:13:53 +1000 (from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <9605050913.3273@munnari.OZ.AU> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA201277632; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:13:52 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: FW: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack To: big-internet@munnari.OZ.AU Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 19:13:52 +1000 (EST) Cc: JimFleming@unety.net (Jim Fleming) In-Reply-To: <01BB3A21.576FD820@webster.unety.net> from "Jim Fleming" at May 5, 96 01:22:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 10281 Precedence: bulk [Jim, I'm moving this thread to big-internet, as it seems many of the concerns being raised are more suited to discussion there and there are people much better qualified than myself to comment on your protocol who read it. Perhaps I should have done this earlier in the thread.] Dear big-internet folk, this fellow, Jim Fleming, is proposing his own new IP protocol, IPv8. Details can be found at the following URL: http://comm.unety.net/US/IL/Naperville/Unir Below are some of the comments from the freebsd-hackers mailling list... enjoy! Darren ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <01BB3A21.576FD820@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: FW: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 01:22:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sunday, May 05, 1996 10:45 AM, Darren Reed[SMTP:avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au] wrote: @ > There is an IPv8 header file referenced at... @ > http://comm.unety.net/US/IL/Naperville/Unir @ @ ok, thanks for the URL. @ That URL should help give you an overview...working with code and transporting packets gives one first-hand experience. By the way, IPv8 can also be used to disable checksums and for certain "security" tricks on internal networks. @ > There are macros to test the version and options bits... @ > @ > You have to use "&" and not "==" to make sure you @ > are testing just one bit at a time. Only the high bit @ > of the IPv4 version field (ip->ip_v) is used for version. @ @ But 4 = 0100, 6 = 0110, 8 = 1000, etc. @ Yes...and you will note that 4 and 6 both have the high bit as 0. IPv8 takes that bit, sets it to 1 and then "borrows" the other bits. A more accurate description would be... "@ But 4 = 0100, 6 = 0110, 8 = 1XXX, etc." @ I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there is an IPv6 being developed by @ a large number of people. @ I have been at this over 20 years...I am very aware of IPv6. Have you ever seen some of the "private" opinions about IPv6 from some of the experts that designed it...??? @ Hmmm. @ @ I'm *very* concerned that you're doing this. @ I am glad that you are concerned. Maybe you can help launch and administer the Australian/New Zealand Galaxy? @ Have you submitted any documentation on this to the IETF ? @ The IETF is only concerned with a small subset of the IPv8 OuterInternet. Galaxy 0: StarGate 0: has been allocated to the Legacy Internet. The IPv8 OuterInternet is built on the "outside" of the Legacy Internet. @ Protocol numbers aren't there to be chosen lightly, they should be @ registered with the IANA first, before use. @ The IANA is only involved with the Legacy Internet. The IANA has nothing to do with the OuterInternet. The OuterInternet will be administered by true "trusteeships" and not individuals. -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net Message-Id: <01BB3A26.1428B140@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 01:56:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sunday, May 05, 1996 11:42 AM, Darren Reed[SMTP:avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au] wrote: @ In some mail from Jim Fleming, sie said: @ > @ > @ > There are macros to test the version and options bits... @ > @ > @ > @ > You have to use "&" and not "==" to make sure you @ > @ > are testing just one bit at a time. Only the high bit @ > @ > of the IPv4 version field (ip->ip_v) is used for version. @ > @ @ > @ But 4 = 0100, 6 = 0110, 8 = 1000, etc. @ > @ > Yes...and you will note that 4 and 6 both have the high @ > bit as 0. IPv8 takes that bit, sets it to 1 and then "borrows" @ > the other bits. A more accurate description would be... @ > @ > "@ But 4 = 0100, 6 = 0110, 8 = 1XXX, etc." @ @ So you want to reserve half of the IP version numbers for your own protocol ? That is one way to describe it...just as IANA reserves huge blocks of IP addresses and forces ISPs to beg for addresses from a tiny portion of the address space...Oh that's right the router tables are filling up... so let's slow start all of the ISPs and fragment the IPv4 address space and make the situation so bad that everyone is encouraged to seek IP addresses from "upstream providers"...and the big get bigger and most people beg for resources that are "reserved" for selected people... Another way to look at this is to describe the usage of the following IP version numbers.... 0 - ??? 1 - ??? 2 - ??? 3 - ??? 4 - Used by most systems 5 - ??? 6 - Proposed for IPv6 7 - ??? Are the other version numbers "wasted"... is there such a thing as ecology in the Internet... does only the IANA get to waste/reserve Internet resources...??? -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net Message-Id: <01BB3A2C.4CFF6A80@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org" Subject: RE: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:41:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sunday, May 05, 1996 12:33 PM, michael butler[SMTP:imb@scgt.oz.au] wrote: @ Darren Reed writes: @ Neither IPv8 or IPv6 is going to magically "fix" the result of at least @ one of the three 6 meg bearers taking today off on a picnic :-( @ @ michael @ @ Keep in mind that if you are on an IPv8 network then the IPv4 Legacy Internet is viewed as "damage" and we route around it...:-) -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net Message-Id: <01BB3A2C.D7B5AB80@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming Cc: "FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org" Subject: RE: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:44:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sunday, May 05, 1996 1:43 AM, Warner Losh[SMTP:imp@village.org] wrote: @ Finally, while I'm adamantly opposed to placing this in the FreeBSD @ kernel, Jim can and should distribute patches that he finds good and @ useful. @ @ Warner @ @ Keep in mind that eventually you get the C+@ Programming Language and all of the CONIX Operating Environment as well as the DoorStep Visual Development Environment....FREE...plus distributed objects across the IPv8 network...not to mention, your own Class B (/16) IPv8 addresses... ...not a bad deal...:-) -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net Message-Id: <01BB3A2D.36BFCF20@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org" Subject: RE: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:47:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sunday, May 05, 1996 11:42 AM, Darren Reed[SMTP:avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au] wrote: @ In some mail from Jim Fleming, sie said: @ > The IETF is only concerned with a small subset of the IPv8 @ > OuterInternet. Galaxy 0: StarGate 0: has been allocated to @ > the Legacy Internet. The IPv8 OuterInternet is built on the @ > "outside" of the Legacy Internet. @ @ Have you asked them ? @ @ I think you'll find they'll let anybody submit anything as an informational @ RFC or an internet-draft. @ Be my guest...submit whatever you like... you are FREE to use the material any way that you like... ...that is the way I interpret the word Free in FreeBSD... -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net Message-Id: <01BB3A2B.EE6323E0@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming Cc: "FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org" , Warner Losh Subject: RE: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:38:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sunday, May 05, 1996 1:33 AM, Jordan K. Hubbard[SMTP:jkh@time.cdrom.com] wrote: @ Well, if nothing else it's pretty confusing. When I first saw this @ mentioned, before receiving clarification, my reaction was to go @ "What?! IPv6 isn't even out yet, now somebody's talking about IPv8?? @ What the &*^%@#$! is going on here?!?" @ @ These changes should start going under a different operating title, at @ the very least. @ @ Jordan @ C+@nIP is a good name...:-) BTW, IPv6 is also referred to as IPng (IP Next Generation) The 8 in IPv8 refers to the fact that the bit with a value 8 is used to tag the packets and borrow the rest of the version field and the header length field. The actual value of that bit if you consider bytes is 128. I considered calling this IPv128 but some thought that would be confusing because IPv6 uses 128 bit addresses. Keep in mind from a code point of view there are two views. 1. The view of the person that has an IPv4 implementation. (FreeBSD falls in this C+@tegory) 2. The view of the person that has IPv8 and wants hacks for IPv4. In this second view, IPv4 is an optimization of IPv8 for a limited 32 bit address space. This is similar to the PPP optimizations for IP. With this view, IPv8 and IPv4 are good names, because IPv8 supports more "cylinders" just as in a car. -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net From owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU Sun May 5 19:54:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id JA25485; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:54:18 +1000 (from owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU) Received: from mailing-list by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) id TAA14174; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:54:04 +1000 Received: from munnari.OZ.AU by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) with SMTP id TAA14153; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:36:33 +1000 Received: from mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id JA00039; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:36:32 +1000 (from JimFleming@unety.net) Received: from usi-00-10.Naperville.unety.net by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.50) id AA15212; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:34:56 +1000 (from JimFleming@unety.net) Received: from webster.unety.net (webster.unety.net [206.31.202.8]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA10317; Sun, 5 May 1996 04:16:05 -0500 Received: by webster.unety.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB3A3A.16874AA0@webster.unety.net>; Sun, 5 May 1996 04:19:44 -0500 Message-Id: <01BB3A3A.16874AA0@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "'Darren Reed'" , "big-internet@munnari.oz.au" Cc: Jim Fleming Subject: RE: FW: IPv8 Tutorial #1: Minimal IPv8 hack Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 04:19:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk On Sunday, May 05, 1996 2:13 PM, Darren Reed[SMTP:avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au] wrote: @ [Jim, I'm moving this thread to big-internet, as it seems many of the concerns @ being raised are more suited to discussion there and there are people much @ better qualified than myself to comment on your protocol who read it. @ Perhaps I should have done this earlier in the thread.] @ Fine... @ Dear big-internet folk, this fellow, Jim Fleming, is proposing his own new @ IP protocol, IPv8. Details can be found at the following URL: @ I am not "proposing" anything...people are working on various implementations...the Legacy Internet will be used for transport... If a people are in a space ship headed for the moon, you do not say..."Hey boys...someone is proposing to land on the moon"... ...no, at this point...you can just sit back and watch... @ http://comm.unety.net/US/IL/Naperville/Unir @ @ Below are some of the comments from the freebsd-hackers mailling list... @ enjoy! @ @ Darren -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. 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The conference timetable is as follows: Paper Submission Deadline : June 30, 1996 Acceptance Notification : August 20, 1996 Camera-Ready Paper : October 1, 1996 Conference : January 12, 1997 Conference General Chair Conference Program Chair Prof. Lionel Ni Prof. Taieb Znati Department of Computer Scinece Computer Science Department Michigan State University University of Pittsburgh East Lansing, Michigan 48824-1207 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 Tel.: (517) 353-4386 Tel.: (412) 624-8417 ni@cps.msu.edu znati@cs.pitt.edu Program Committee Members: Rajive Bagrodia, UCLA, rajive@cs.ucla.edu Mary L. Bailey, University of Arizona, mlb@cs.arizona.edu Simonetta Balsamo, University of Udine, balsamo@di.unipi.it Kalyani Bogineni, Bellcore, bogineni@iscp.bellcore.com Tien-Fu Chen, National Chung Cheng University, chen@cs.ccu.edu.tw Wai Chen, Bellcore, wchen@faline.bellcore.com Samir R. Das, UTSA, samir@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Patrick W. Dowd, SUNY Buffalo, dowd@eng.buffalo.edu Giambiasi, University of Marseille, France Sumit Ghosh, Arizona State University, sumit.ghosh@asu.edu Martin Hitz, University of Vienna, hitz@ifs.univie.ac.at Pavlos Konas, Silicon Graphics, konas@sgi.com Jasna Kuljis, Roehampton Institute UK, j.kuljis@clyde.roehampton.ac.uk Jason Yi-Bing Lin, NCTU, Hsinchu, Taiwan, liny@csie.nctu.edu.tw Darrell D.E. Long, UCSC, darrell@sequoia.cse.ucsc.edu Robert.Macredie, Brunel University, UK, Robert.Macredie@brunel.ac.uk Brian Malloy, Clemson University, malloy@cs.clemson.edu Rami Melhem, University of Pittsburgh, melhem@cs.pitt.edu Jon M. Peha, Carnegie Mellon University, peha@gauss.ece.cmu.edu Vernon Rego, Purdue University, rego@cs.purdue.edu Jerzy Rozenbilt, University of Arizona, jr@ece.arizona.edu Herbert D. Schwetman, Mesquite Software, Inc., hds@mesquite.com Sourav Bhattacharya, sourav@enws450.eas.asu.edu Gary S. H. Tan, National University of Singapore, gtan@iscs.nus.sg David Tipper, University of Pittsburgh, tipper@icarus.lis.pitt.edu Anand R. Tripathi, atripath@nsf.gov Hamid Vakilzadian, University of Nebraska, hamid@unlinfo.unl.edu George Zobrist, Univ. of Misouri-Rolla, zobrist@umr.edu Taieb Znati, Univ. of Pittburgh, znati@cs.pitt.edu Further Information: For additional information, please send mail to: znati@cs.pitt.edu or contact Taieb Znati by phone: (412) 624-8417, email: znati@cs.pitt.edu, or fax: (412) 624-8854. Updated conference announcement and information are accessible by anonymous ftp at ftp.cs.pitt.edu:/pub/WMC_Conf or by directly accessing the conference home page at http://www.cs.pitt.edu/WMC_Conf. ** Pending Approval From owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU Wed May 22 02:02:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id QA15616; Wed, 22 May 1996 02:02:11 +1000 (from owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU) Received: from mailing-list by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) id CAA04255; Wed, 22 May 1996 02:00:18 +1000 Received: from munnari.OZ.AU by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) with SMTP id BAA04238; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:41:18 +1000 Received: from nsco.network.com by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id PA06414; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:41:15 +1000 (from amolitor@anubis.network.com) Received: from anubis.network.com by nsco.network.com (4.1/1.34) id AA18509; Tue, 21 May 96 10:45:59 CDT Received: from blefscu.network.com by anubis.network.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23231; Tue, 21 May 96 10:43:41 CDT Date: Tue, 21 May 96 10:43:41 CDT From: amolitor@anubis.network.com (Andrew Molitor) Message-Id: <9605211543.AA23231@anubis.network.com> To: big-internet@munnari.OZ.AU Subject: forwarding tables available? Precedence: bulk Is there anyplace where I can get a copy of a more or less current default-free forwarding table? All I need is addresses and masks, not the metrics or net hops or anything. The goal here is to experiment with data structures for stowing forwarding tables in. If there's someplace on the net to grab a sample, that would be great, otherwise I'd be exceedingly grateful for a snapshot from someone's box. While this is a personal and private experiment at the present time, my experiments may evolve into something my employer is interested in. So, if the potential corporate uses of data are important to whether or not you wanted to hand this information out, now you know. Thanks, Andrew From owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU Wed May 22 03:20:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: from murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id RA28948; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:20:40 +1000 (from owner-Big-Internet@munnari.OZ.AU) Received: from mailing-list by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) id DAA04348; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:20:18 +1000 Received: from munnari.OZ.AU by murtoa.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.6.9/1.0) with SMTP id DAA04328; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:08:15 +1000 Received: from nsco.network.com by munnari.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.83--+1.3.1+0.56) id RA29555; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:07:53 +1000 (from amolitor@anubis.network.com) Received: from anubis.network.com by nsco.network.com (4.1/1.34) id AA19994; Tue, 21 May 96 12:12:37 CDT Received: from blefscu.network.com by anubis.network.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24742; Tue, 21 May 96 12:10:19 CDT Date: Tue, 21 May 96 12:10:19 CDT From: amolitor@anubis.network.com (Andrew Molitor) Message-Id: <9605211710.AA24742@anubis.network.com> To: big-internet@munnari.OZ.AU Subject: err, never mind - Precedence: bulk I'm still a stone-age man, and tend to ask a suitable mailing list before firing up the awesome power of altavista. Thanks for the privately sent responses, which were quite helpful,nd apologies to the list for not looking a little harder myself before bothering you all. I no longer need any information on where to obtain forwarding table info!